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An In-Depth Look with PEOs

Remember when you used to thumb through actual yellow and white pages of a phonebook to find people and services? In this episode, Toby Mathis of Anderson Advisors talks to Fred Lovingier, District Manager for Insperity, a professional employer organization (PEO). Fred has more than 15 years of management, marketing, and sales experience. 


  • What is a PEO? Outsourcing firm that provides services to small- and medium-sized businesses
  • Why work with Insperity? Buying power and outsourcing 
  • What are the two main reasons why you should consider a PEO? Stabilize high volatility in healthcare costs and employee liability
  • What are business owners’ top concerns? Don’t want to deal with other people
  • Does Insperity offer employees access to a group health plan at the same price as other big companies? Yes, just like Walmart, Coca-Cola, and UnitedHealthcare
  • What about workers’ comp benefits? Workers’ comp is based on a safety rating or mod number addressed as so much per hundred of payroll
  • What’s Insperity’s rule of thumb? Vetted company that becomes a client, automatically reduces its current workers’ comp 10%; dangerous fields costs more money
  • Whenever a PEO charges or consumes savings, what happens? Buying power is used to create offsets that help make the cost of doing business tolerable
  • What if business owners carry health insurance? Most business people know that they’ll get a new rate, typically higher, every year
  • What’s typical misconceptions about who’s liable? It’s almost impossible to get a group plan these days; but you can go in combination with a group
  • Can people be fired or released? Yes, but they may maintain direction and control of their company and receive onboarding/offboarding assistance
  • What’s the magic number or sweet spot for a PEO? Groups between five and 5,000
  • How much does it cost? Typically, it’s less than the cost of hiring somebody, but the quality is significantly higher
  • What is Insperity’s vision and mission? Give people the support and tools they need to grow and help businesses succeed for communities to prosper
  • How long do Insperity’s clients stay? On average, clients stay 6.8 years, which represents an 80–85% renewal rate each year


Fred Lovingier on LinkedIn


Fred Simonds’s Website

Fred Simonds’s Office: 10845 Griffith Peak Dr., Suite 500, Las Vegas, NV 89135

Fred Simonds’s Phone: 702-470-1948

Fred Simonds’s Mobile Phone: 702-203-0063

Fred Simonds’s Fax: 866-422-1927

Yellow Pages

Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA)


Workers’ Comp

COBRA Management

National Association of PEOs

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Full Episode Transcript

Toby: Hey, guys. This is Toby Mathis with the Anderson Business Advisors. I have Fred Lovingier here. Fred, welcome.

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